What idea or information was particularly difficult to express on the page?
Alexander: Another thing Lana mentioned earlier is the opening scene [with] a Matrix of the Matrix – [a] replica of the matrix … that Thomas Anderson is building for himself, so that he can keep some of his memories, but he doesn’t know what [it means] … He can’t get out of this loop. And so, the hard part wasâ¦ I mean, it was always fun, but the first part, the question was, when he didn’t know he’s in The Matrix, how convincing that would be to an audience that waits? more Matrix as soon as possible. And they get the opening scenes, but that’s obviously not quite the same, that’s what Bug says in that scene.
And then after that there’s a voucher, I don’t know, 20 minutes, I don’t remember how long he’s in the cut, but there were quite a few pages of his work in an office in San Francisco. . So how do you make it interesting and convincing, how not to lose the audience, [and] at the same time, how can we not change it short, so that makes sense? It had to make sense. We spent time thinking about it and Lana spent time thinking about it during the shoot, during the editing, of course. There are a lot of awesome things about the movie, but these solutions are the most compelling.
David: That’s pretty much the answer I would have pitched on as well, but just been considerably less articulate. I am a compulsive over-world builder. I’m geek, I’m nerdy. I want the details. I want to know it. I like it all and want it as much as possible, but not everyone does. My wife may experience the six pages of the “Matrix” lore very differently. [Laughs]. So yes, everything is finding balance.
Since it’s open to interpretation, what does “The Matrix” mean to both of you?
David: Oh, what is a matrix? Well, it depends on where you answer. It means one thing to me as a kid who saw “The Matrix” in 1999. It means something else to the characters of “The Matrix”. If you answer it from the history of cultural studies, it means something else. So maybe I’ll go meta on your slightly meta question. “The Matrix” is a multiplicity of meanings, mic drop, voila! Matrix is ââa multiplicity of meanings. To you. Good luck.
Alexander: Well, what is good with the trilogy, and I hope that this film too, is that it refracts the time in which it is made, but also imagines the future: the direction of the present which will catch up with us in the future . And so, he is both visionary, but also deeply … in the present moment. And to me the meanings fluctuate and change and some meanings are maybe a little more obscure now. Phones, phones that ring in the first “Matrix”, I don’t know if my children have ever seen such a phone except in the movies. And so that sense was gone but there were all these other things. Great works of art reflect the time in which they are seen, now or in 20 or 30 years, which is why the meaning of “The Matrix” has been maintained.
There are thousands of movies that don’t make sense [or] at least hard to watch these days, as they’ve been overtaken by time, but “The Matrix” keeps resurrecting, to abuse the pun. So for me, just like David, I was living in Chicago at the time and I remember watching “Bound”, Lana and Lilly’s very movie, largely because someone in the cafe where I was playing chess. Said, “You should see this movie. They’re local. They live in the neighborhood, they live in the same neighborhood.” I went to see “Bound” and loved it. And so when “The Matrix” came, I went to see “The Matrix” because I love “Bound”. I don’t remember any marketing campaign I was subjected to. It was total, absolute total surprise and shock. I had never seen anything like it, and I had seen a lot of movies by then. It was obviously revolutionary and it is still 20 years later.
âThe Matrix Resurrectionsâ is now in theaters and on HBO Max.